Prime Time Replay:
Attorney Peter Gersten
on the "Ultimate Secret" of UFOs
MsgId: *high_strangeness(4)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:03:21 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Welcome back to High Strangeness! My name is Patrick Huyghe and I'll be the moderator this evening. Our guest tonight is attorney Peter Gersten. Peter is best known as the lawyer who took the CIA and other government agencies to court for their UFO documents and won . . . sort of. This evening we'll be talking about what the government knows about UFOs; about Peter's new project, "Ultimate Secret"; and about a UFO flap going on right now in Peter's backyard--Arizona. Welcome to the show, Peter.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(5)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:03:42 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
Okay:>
MsgId: *high_strangeness(6)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:04:15 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
You've read a lot of the government's once secret UFO documents over the years. What do you think the government is hiding from us about UFOs?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(7)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:05:27 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
They are hiding the fact that most of the information in the documents is our own technology, most of the information involves EARTHLY technology, the question is whether this earthly technology is based upon in any manner, alien technology.The government also has evidence -- although I have not SEEN it -- of contact with an extraterrestial intelligence.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(12)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:09:06 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
EARTHLY technology? What do you mean?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(14)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:10:00 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
Technology that is no more, Patrick, than 20 years beyond present day terchnology, technology that German scientists were working on in the forties, which in 1947 we began to see in our skies.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(16)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:11:01 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Are you talking about former Nazi secret weapons?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(17)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:11:49 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
Yes.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(18)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:12:30 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Who possesses this technology today?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(19)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:13:20 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
That is the ULTIMATE SECRET!
MsgId: *high_strangeness(20)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:13:59 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Aha! That brings us to the next topic. You've been writing something called the Ultimate Secret. What is it about?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(22)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:16:33 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
It is a story that takes place in the future, a true story that takes place on June 24th , 1997 to be exact.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(24)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:17:41 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
What is the plot?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(25)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:17:53 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
The 50th anniversary of the UFO phenomenon. On June 24th a Supreme Court Justice -- Sandra Day O'Connor -- disappears, and her disappearance sets in motion a series of events that involve a unique and extraordinary criminal trial, a planetary appeal involving eight directives, the suspension of constitutional rights, the return of the "ancient ones," and also about a group called the Cosmic Circle and their diabolical and terrifying plan to control the planet.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(27)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:18:41 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Yes, and tell us about the abduction.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(31)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:21:33 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
It is a disappearance NOT an abduction. Or better yet, a "borrowing."
MsgId: *high_strangeness(33)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:22:10 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Now you call this a true story that takes place in the future. How do you know? It's fiction isn't it? Your fantasy, perhaps?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(34)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:22:46 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
No, it is the time line for a specific choice that I have made. The information that I discuss comes to me in dreams. So far what I have dreamt has come true 90% of the time.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(36)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:23:39 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
But current events are always changing the "timeline."
MsgId: *high_strangeness(37)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:25:34 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
That is true.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(38)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:26:41 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
How can people get a copy of your "Ultimate Secret" UFO-soap?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(39)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:27:24 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
Mail me at ufolawyer@aol.com and ask to be put on list. I put out one episode every three days.To get back to yr question about time line -- the simple fact that I have distributed the story on the Net -- something not anticipated originally -- has changed the time line and altered the story.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(42)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:28:49 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Now at the very beginning of Ultimate Secret someone "abducts" Supreme court justice Sandra Day O'Conner. You say this is a true story. Have the FBI or Secret Service knocked on your door yet?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(46)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:30:29 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
No, why should they? And I object to the word "abduct" -- there is a "borrowing" which does not have the intent needed for an abduction.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(49)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:31:37 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Hopkins doesn't talk about aliens "borrowing" humans.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(52)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:33:12 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
So? Hopkins?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(53)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:33:22 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Let's move to another line of questions. You said earlier that the government has been in contact with aliens. But you have not SEEN this evidence. How do you know then?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(56)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:35:54 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
I said that the evidence is overwhelming that this planet is in contact with another form of intelligence. The best evidence is the crop circles. Second best is ancient artifacts on the moon which would be the smoking gun -- if we were allowed to see what is on the moon. Number 3 is UFO reports.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(60)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:38:12 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
But none of this is "beyond a reasonable doubt" kind of evidence, is it?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(62)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:39:00 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
It is WAY beyond reasonable doubt. I can prove in a court of law that this planet is in contact with an ET intelligence.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(65)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:40:21 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
But how do you get it into court?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(66)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:41:47 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
By the front door ... or a trial.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(67)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:42:25 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
On what account?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(68)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:43:31 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
A criminal trial.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(69)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:43:50 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
What's the crime?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(70)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:43:56 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
Which is part of the Ultimate Secret.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(72)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:45:04 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Yes, it sounds like the Ultimate Secret hold the key to all your thinking on the subject. By the way -- After spending years trying to obtain government documents through the FOIA and being quite successful--you stopped. Why? What was the roadblock?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(74)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:46:34 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
The US Supreme Court. They refused to hear the NSA case thereby allowing the lower courts' decision to stand.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(77)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:48:32 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
So now you are trying other means?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(78)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:49:18 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
Yes.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(79)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:49:41 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
The Ultimate Secret!
MsgId: *high_strangeness(81)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:50:40 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
A true story that takes place in the future.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(80)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:50:18 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
What's your take on the Roswell Incident?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(82)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:51:36 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
Nothing extraterrestrial ... and I can prove THAT in a court of law.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(83)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:51:57 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
What was it?
MsgId: *high_strangeness(84)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:54:09 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
It was a secret project called Mogul to detect radiation coming from the Soviet Union.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(87)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:55:28 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Last question: What's been going on over Arizona lately? A real UFO flap it seems.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(88)
Date: Tue Mar 25 22:56:42 PST 1997
From: Peter_Gersten At: 204.210.219.65
There's a meeting tomorrow to discuss what is happening. It seems that objects have been seen over a period of time in California, Arizona and Las Vegas. I would assume that the authorities MUST know what these objects are, but they continue to deceive us and deny us our unconditional right to know what is appearing in our skies.
MsgId: *high_strangeness(93)
Date: Tue Mar 25 23:01:52 PST 1997
From: Moderator At: 168.100.204.161
Thank you very much for being with us, Peter. We wish you much success with "Ultimate Secret." (And thank you, Paula, for your help.) That's all for tonight. For High Strangeness, this is Patrick Huyghe. Goodnight!
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