Prime Time Replay:
David J. Schow
on Horror
MsgId: *omni_visions(4)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:02:30 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Good evening, Mr. & Ms. America, and all the ships in space (not to mention those of you checking in from places other than the U.S.). Welcome to Omni Visions, where my guest tonight will be the splendid novelist, editor, story writer, and screen scenarist, David J. Schow.David hasn't checked in yet, but I'm sure he will momentarily. Let me mention that for the first hour, he and I'll have essentially a one-to-one talk; after that first hour, my producer will open things up and anyone who cares to ask David a question or chat will be welcome to do so.
First, a little Schow background. He's the author of two novels under his own name, *The Kill Riff* and *The Shaft*. His story collections have included *Lost Angels*, *Seeing Red*, and *Black Leather Required*. He's worked on such feature films as *The Crow*, *Critters 1* and *2*, and *Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III*. He's edited the splendid original anthology of Hollywood horror, *Silver Scream*, and wrote *The Outer Limits Companion*. He's written for a variety of episodic TV series, including *The Outer Limits*, *The Hunger*, *Tales from the Crypt*, *Perversions of Science*, and *Freddy's Nightmares*.
MsgId: *omni_visions(7)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:09:04 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 207.217.3.190
Ed: Hey, I finally got a screen with a message box on it. I was stranded in "frames" all by my lonesome. -- DJS
MsgId: *omni_visions(9)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:10:44 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
David, welcome to the show. Think of "frames" as being something like the medieval torture implements the name suggests.Assuming we're both still on line, I'll mention that one of my great admirations for you is the eclectic way you've built your career. A basic but real curiosity, why is so much of your interest in horror (or dark fantasy or whatever synonym one wants to use)?
MsgId: *omni_visions(11)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:17:42 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Had a slight memory problem. May have to sign off and on in fun rollercoaster style.
MsgId: *omni_visions(12)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:18:42 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Hmm, these days for me, a "slight memory problem" could equally apply to me OR the computer...
MsgId: *omni_visions(13)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:19:29 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
This "pause" thing is really screwing up my longwinded answers.
MsgId: *omni_visions(14)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:21:10 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Don't worry too much about the pause. It just stops the machine from cutting you off when it refreshes the screen. Actually you can run on quite a spell if you wish...if you hit the pause first...
MsgId: *omni_visions(15)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:21:18 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
I like scary and/or unsettling stuff, and good scary stuff is frequently of unknown origin, that is, from unexpected places ... so, I want to try to accommodate as many of those "locations" as possible.Warning to the General Public: This is conversation WITH ZITS. So please pardon run-ons, fragments, etc. Ed and I will make sense sooner or later.
MsgId: *omni_visions(17)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:24:06 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Hey, it doesn't HAVE to make complete sense. This could be a post-modernist conversation (and suddenly I think of the *My Dinner With Andre* action figures at the end of Christopher Guest's new movie, *Waiting for Guffman*).
MsgId: *omni_visions(18)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:24:57 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Also, I enjoy and am interested in things that are malign and unsettling, especially in the context of art and/or literature. As Michael McDowell says, quite succinctly, "I write to subvert."
MsgId: *omni_visions(19)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:26:46 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
I don't know. Do people still ask David Cronenberg "why he makes movies?" It'd be worth it if I could get a posable Holly Hunter action figure from CRASH. Or better yet, a Rosanna Arquette figure with optional sports car.
MsgId: *omni_visions(20)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:27:01 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Okay, speaking of scary or unsettling stuff, I easily flash on "Dusting the Flowers," your story in Poppy Brite's erotic vampirism anthology, *Love in Vein II*. That's a tough, take-no-prisoners, grisly piece of work that tickles the reader's ribs with an X-Acto knife. You've mentioned that some think it humorless... For you, where's the genesis for a story like that?
MsgId: *omni_visions(21)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:28:23 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
That one's all Poppy's fault. Christa Faust and I invaded New Orleans and a lot of my initial impressions of "place" are in that story.
MsgId: *omni_visions(22)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:28:54 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Tangent: the problem with the Arquette action figure is that it'd be tough to get through the airport metal detector...and it'd tear hell out of your car upholstry on the drive home.
MsgId: *omni_visions(23)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:29:58 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
We were also present during the annual extravaganza of the termite swarm (they were so thick that Poppy couldn't use her computer, for all the termites dive-bombing her screen), PLUS a flash-flood that nearly floated Poppy and Christa away to a better world in their car. I suppose the thing that angered me the most was how Bourbon Street reminded me of Hollywood Boulevard -- pure tourist trap. That's one thread. There's a lot of other individual roots that fed into that particular story, because I remember it took over a year to write.
MsgId: *omni_visions(24)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:30:24 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Indeed, the sense of place in "Dusting" is exquisite. I'm curious whether you thought the amusement level, the humor index, was higher than some of the readers have. Is the audience for this variety of fiction perhaps a little straitlaced?
MsgId: *omni_visions(26)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:33:24 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Straitlaced? Yes. The audience for LOVE IN VEIN 2 (just look at the cover!) is vampire aficionados, the very audience I have no interest in writing for. So they might feel a tad stung. But -- it's just a story, folks.Plus, as Ellen Datlow will affirm, there's a trick to writing a "vampire" story with no vampires in it. I did it for A WHISPER OF BLOOD. I wanted to do the same thing in longform -- a bigger canvas -- and Poppy provided the opportunity. As editor, she changed one word. Corrected the spelling, actually.
MsgId: *omni_visions(27)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:36:13 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Yeah, as I recall, there are a few acidic comments about vampires in the text of your story... You've got another new story, a collaboration with Craig Spector, coming out soon in Douglas Winter's Big New Original Anthology, *Revelations*. Could you describe the high concept for that book? And how was the prose collaborative experience?
MsgId: *omni_visions(29)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:41:07 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
The story for REVELATIONS -- aka MILLENNIUM everywhere but in the US, where we have that TV show -- is nearly three years old and it's just coming out now. Literally -- Doug Winter said he got copies of the finished book yesterday. The contents page of that book changed and shifted considerably over the 7 years it took to produce it. Stephen King, I think, was originally involved. But in its final incarnation, so many slots had been committed that collaborating became a nifty way around the problem. The book is broken down thus: one story (novella) for each decade of the 20th Century, plus a wraparound story. That's what, 11 slots? So there are two collaborative stories -- mine and Craig's, and Poppy and Christa's.It's an important book, I think, in a year where horror stuff in general has had too few. Also, it'll be the sort of book you can buy in hardcover, in airports, which in a sense makes it more "real." What else? 11 stories, 13 writers. The Ramsey Campbell story will kick everyone's ass. It's good gruesome fun.
MsgId: *omni_visions(31)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:44:47 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
So which decade are you? Not the disco years, I'm guessing.
MsgId: *omni_visions(33)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:47:08 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
I specifically requested of Doug that we wanted the decade nobody else wanted, which turned out to be the 1980s. Richard Christian Matheson took the golden age of disco for himself.
MsgId: *omni_visions(34)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:49:37 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
A quick shameless plug: Doug Winter will be the guest on this show on May Day, one month from now. David, you've published two credited novels, one only in Great Britain. Do you think *The Shaft* will find a home this side of the Atlantic? And how interested are you in expanding your canvas to novel length?
MsgId: *omni_visions(35)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:53:57 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Only two scenarios in which that's likely: (1) Small press re-publication, or (2) publication as part of my backlist, which necessitates my finishing, after much hemming and hawing and delay, my infamous Novel #3. I like the novel form but don't want to live there all the time; I prefer short stories, and if you try to craft the prose in a novel with the same degree of attention you apply to a story ... well, THAT could take years and years. On the other hand, current publishing wisdom dictates that if you're not writing novels, you're not writing, so past a certain point you are compelled to log a novel or two just to stay on the map.
MsgId: *omni_visions(36)
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:57:27 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
So is Infamous Novel #3 horror? And how about editing another anthology? Rejoin the ranks of such as Doug and Poppy. *Silver Scream* succeeded fairly well, true?
MsgId: *omni_visions(37)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:02:04 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Borderline horror, meaning "some supernatural content may apply." Slightly different trajectory than Novels #1 and #2. As for editing an anthology ... at first I said "no way." Then Lansdale and I came up with a great idea for a retrospective anthology nobody else would do. We might pursue that. As for original anthologies, I don't think so basically because it took a whole year to pull SILVER SCREAM together, and I have less time now than I had then. Originally, I wanted to follow SILVER SCREAM up with not a sequel (which would have fit the movie theme), but a book called THE NEW FLESH. The time for that is past, though, I think. I also think the nature of original anthologies is changing, and after awhile perhaps the usual forms will be really dull. Witness REVELATIONS, again, as part of this evolution.
MsgId: *omni_visions(39)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:07:44 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
I'm going to ask Ellen, our Omni Visions producer, to open the chat up so that your questions can appear on screen for David. David, if you could take over as czar of contemporary horror, what fiats would you issue? What currently isn't optimal?
MsgId: *omni_visions(40)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:11:54 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
List coming up ...Worldwide ban on possessed children in houses on old Indian burial grounds in small New England towns. Ban on the phrase "My baby my baby it's got my baby." No one is permitted to type the exclamation "nooooooooo!" Horror novels as parables for one outmoded religion or another will be sharply curtailed. People who re-join writer's organizations on purpose will have to log a mandatory year picking mushrooms in upstate California. No more black covers with drippy red letters. No more bimbos with knives. No more bimbos with knives stuck into them. If you swipe another writer's gameform, then the victim writer gets to do the same to you, for pay. Executive order that small press magazines have to justify their existence in real-world terms. Just a few little things ...
MsgId: *omni_visions(44)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:19:00 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Well, it's a start. How about an order requiring horror writers to diminish their whining, bitching, and moaning by about 90%?
MsgId: *omni_visions(45)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:19:16 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
I also think authorial disputes are best settled in the squared circle. Anybody that doesn't own a wrestling mask (or already have a cool wrestling handle) should not be permitted to be a writer. Can you imagine the Stephen King/Clive Barker vs. Ramsey Campbell/Brian Lumley Hot Oil Tag Team Thumbtack Death Match?I think if your Whine Factor exceeds 50% of your typed output, then you have to dance naked in front of a World Fantasy or World Horror Con audience until you are cheered or booed offstage. And if you complain, you must dance some more!
MsgId: *omni_visions(49)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:22:59 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
I like it. The wrestling faction in horror already includes, oh, let's see, Doug Winter, Dennis Etchison, Edward Lee, John Pelan, Charlie Grant, Lucy Taylor, and more. This could become a major platform in the next Horror Writers Association general elections.
MsgId: *omni_visions(50)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:26:31 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Oh, yeah -- American wrestling doesn't count as much as Lucha Libre. Don't leave Christa off the list either because she just had a cool new vinyl mask for her wrestling persona custom-made. It WILL intimidate you. Plus, nobody does a tope suicida like Christa. Let's see Dennis do a quebradora.
MsgId: *omni_visions(51)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:27:57 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Hollywood! You can't escape without mentioning that. Have you worked out some pretty effective mechanisms for working with the screen "team approach?" Or have you ever been bothered by the process? And what is *The Hunger* series? Based on the Strieber novel?
MsgId: *omni_visions(53)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:28:13 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
I heard Charlie Grant did a corkscrew plancha in Providence once.THE HUNGER takes its title only from the Tony Scott movie, though all the Scotts (Tony, Ridley and Jake) are involved. It's an episodic anthology-type series that'll be on Showtime in May. Scary erotic horror or somesuch.
MsgId: *omni_visions(55)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:30:59 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
HWA oughtta give every member subscriptions to the *Observer* and *The Torch*. Better than a chicken in every pot.
MsgId: *omni_visions(52)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:27:57 PST 1997
From: guest At: 153.34.45.166
David: Why wasn't the impact of the exemplary quality and talent of a David Schow, Richard C. Matheson or Ray Garton (among others in the late '80s/early '90s) enough to turn the dismal tide the horror genre was taking ... so we wouldn't be left with the overwhelming dreck now on the bookstore shelves?
MsgId: *omni_visions(56)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:34:01 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
First, as far as I know, Richard C., Ray Garton, et al are all still making a living writing; they didn't just evaporate (neither did I). Second, I think the so-called "death of horror" is too hot a topic when what people should be concerned with is the death of publishing ... at least, as we knew it. Death of the mid-list. They're doing the same thing in movies now (apt since everything is going to be owned by the same ten companies by 2000 anyway) -- I recently read a bit from a major studio noting that they were not interested in any film "over 15 million" or "under 60 million" to produce. The movie mid-list is disappearing as well.Hey, wait! Define "overwhelming dreck." I'm sure you've probably seen some stuff that I might have not.
Ed: Gift subscriptions to THE RASSLIN MAGAZINE: FROM PARTS UNKNOWN would be more apropos.
MsgId: *omni_visions(60)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:39:14 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Yeah, there's always been considerable dreck. But these days we've got Christa & Poppy, newer people like Todd Grimson, Lucy Taylor, Norm Partridge, Beth Massie, Brian Hodge, Kathe Koja, and on and on. All may not appeal to the same taste, but there's a hell of a lot of newer talent being published.
MsgId: *omni_visions(61)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:39:25 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Not to mention Michael Blumlein, Thomas Ligotti, and William Browning Spencer.Note: Ed himself executed a perfect hurricanrana in a scorpion deathlock match in Tucson Arizona against Tappan King.
MsgId: *omni_visions(64)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:41:49 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Thanks for remembering, David, but I almost blew it when I slipped on my glass eyeball after it bounced out and rolled.
MsgId: *omni_visions(65)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:41:53 PST 1997
From: guest At: 153.34.45.166
No, no, I know you're all still writing in various venues - and successfully. For that we all be thankful. I suppose the "overwhelming dreck" I was referring to was the watering down of the horror that used to inspire, to make one look at their reality and acceptance of it through a different eyeglass. Horror that challenged, that had bite. Now we're deluged with "suspense" novels that attempt (weakly) to prey on the same frayed nerve - a missing child, a haunted child, an agry child with "powers", etc. These themes were old when they first appeared and their welcome is worn out.
MsgId: *omni_visions(69)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:46:45 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Point taken about "old" horror -- old in the sense that we have become accustomed to its rhythms, and they therefore lack the power to surprise us. Most normal, real-world readers, however, WANT predictable fiction. They really hate being genuinely surprised. They infer from a surprise that they are somehow unaware or dull; which isn't the point, but it's frequently the reaction. For them, it's better to trust in something like a very structured, reassuring vampire story. Sooner or later somebody is going to whip out that reassuring silver crucifix and everything will be okay. A fangless thrill, if you will. I like writing that is more subversive than that. The problem is that reading such fiction sometimes requires effort on the part of the reader. The reader must PARTICIPATE, not just blandly absorb images.
MsgId: *omni_visions(66)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:41:58 PST 1997
From: guest At: 205.238.146.184
Lawrence Person: Hi all.
MsgId: *omni_visions(62)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:40:30 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Lawrence P. wrote what is perhaps the definative splatterpunk article, way back when, for NOVA EXPRESS, ladies and gents.
MsgId: *omni_visions(67)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:42:44 PST 1997
From: guest At: 205.238.146.184
Lawrence Person: And speaking of NOVA, and Bill Spencer, there will be an interview with him (and Brad Denton) in the next issue.
MsgId: *omni_visions(68)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:46:26 PST 1997
From: guest At: 153.34.45.166
I admire both of those writers tremendously. Where can one order a copy of NOVA EXPRESS?
MsgId: *omni_visions(70)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:47:17 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
David (or Lawrence), does splatterpunk still live? Did it ever, really? So much of horror is attitude, I think. Is there a new definition for the '90s?
MsgId: *omni_visions(72)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:48:59 PST 1997
From: guest At: 205.238.146.184
NOVA EXPRESS, P.O. Box 27231, Austin, Texas, 78755. $4.50 for single issue (postpaid), or $12 for a 4 issue subscription, or $20 for an eight issue one.
MsgId: *omni_visions(73)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:49:42 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
S-punk is mutagenic. By the time you get around to sub-classifying it, it's shifted into a virulent new form. Watch out for those Riot Grrls of Horror, if you know what I mean (and I think you do).
MsgId: *omni_visions(74)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:50:04 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
David, since we'll be shutting the program down in a bit over 10 minutes. Along with your story in *Love in Vein II* and the one upcoming in Doug Winter's *Revelations*, what Schow short fiction is on the reasonable horizon?
MsgId: *omni_visions(75)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:52:03 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Ed -- I think horror is ALL attitude. Positioning horrific "furniture" just makes for a dead room with interesting rickrack. Like the landscape for hard science science fiction is technological, so is the landscape for "hard" horror emotional.
MsgId: *omni_visions(76)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:55:04 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
New stories ... "Seeing Things" in RAGE Magazine, "Dying Words" in MIDNIGHT GRAFFITI, "A Punch in the Doughnut" in LETHAL KISSES (UK; edited by Ellen Datlow), "(Melodrama)" in DARK TERRORS 2 (UK; edited by Stephen Jones but also coming up in a different form as a Necronomicon Press chapbook). TV: "The Exile" on PERVERSIONS OF SCIENCE and "Red Light" on THE HUNGER. Plus, I'm fighting to kick the long-overdue revised 2nd edition of the OUTER LIMITS book out the door this year.
MsgId: *omni_visions(77)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:55:15 PST 1997
From: guest At: 153.34.45.166
David: For those of us who can't make it to Dark Delicacies Bookstore - and have always wanted to get a book inscribed by you - will your "caravan" be making any other stops - say, in the Seattle area?
MsgId: *omni_visions(78)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:57:28 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
No tour stops except UK and NYC planned for this year. Seattle? How'd you find out about my camels?
MsgId: *omni_visions(79)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:58:26 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
David, as they start to edge uneasily toward the door, any word of advice for ambitious but scrupulous newer horror writers?
MsgId: *omni_visions(80)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:58:31 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Actually, Dark Delicacies or Dangerous Visions would probably forward stuff to be autographed if postage was prepaid.
MsgId: *omni_visions(82)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:59:28 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Never ask writers for advice. They just complain. Just write and don't stop.
MsgId: *omni_visions(83)
Date: Thu Apr 3 23:59:31 PST 1997
From: guest At: 153.34.45.166
Thanks, maybe I'll give that a try.
MsgId: *omni_visions(84)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:00:35 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Besides, I don't feel venerable enough to be giving advice to anybody.
MsgId: *omni_visions(85)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:00:39 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Just in case the east coast server drops us promptly and unceremoniously on the hour, I want to thank David Schow very, very much for appearing on tonight's Omni Visions. As always, it's been a pleasure. In one week, check out Jim Freund interviewing Elizabeth Hand. In two weeks, my guest will be Paul Witcover, author of *Waking Beauty*.
MsgId: *omni_visions(86)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:01:56 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
It's midnight in New York, and everybody except Peter Straub is asleep now. I guess we'll lose the country east-to-west. Kind of an advancing plague sorta pattern.
MsgId: *omni_visions(87)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:02:42 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Lawrence P. is in Kansas or Texas or someplace, so he's toast already.
MsgId: *omni_visions(88)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:02:53 PST 1997
From: EllenDatlow At: 206.80.173.162
I'd like to thank you Ed and David too. You've been great. -- Ellen
MsgId: *omni_visions(89)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:03:06 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
David, again thanks. Go get some well-deserved rest, and then finish Notorious Novel #3. And best to Christa.
MsgId: *omni_visions(92)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:03:51 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Before I forget: Effusive thanks to Ellen and Ed. Once I got past the frame thing it was a breeze. Is it time to go lay down yet?
MsgId: *omni_visions(94)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:05:15 PST 1997
From: DAVID At: 206.250.105.218
Last minute plug: The next issue of CARPE NOCTEM has a longish interview, plus they're running some of my cemetery photography. Check it out if you're of a mind.
MsgId: *omni_visions(96)
Date: Fri Apr 4 00:07:13 PST 1997
From: ed_bryant_mod At: 206.80.181.42
Okay, then. Goodnight, all. Gotta go feed the were-cats.
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